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Two of my close friends at Goldman had zero finance experience and joined at 29 & 30 respectively! Both were in sales and one is a partner today at Goldman. The other made MD at Morgan Stanley.  Read all comments »

Want to get into the exciting (and lucrative) world of investment banking, but don't know how? Ex-Goldman Sachs banker Peter Harrison has all the answers.

A candidate is 30 years old and is looking for a career change. Do they have any chance of making it into a role in investment banking?

Yes, of course you do. Obviously, the more qualifications you have and more relevant your work experience, the easier it will be. If you are 30, then you are competing for associate positions with the MBAs from Harvard Business School. It is going to be tough, but achievable.

Which roles are most likely to be open to someone in this situation?

Any roles which are not revenue-generating are going to be much easier to get, but you will probably want what they refer to as a 'front office' role where you earn the big bucks. Trading is really, really difficult if you are not very numerate indeed. Sales is one of the easiest. Corporate finance/M&A, along with research could be possible if you have knowledge of a specific industry. Private equity will be the most difficult to get into.

What can they do to maximise their chances of success?

Get extra qualifications relevant to the business area you are targeting so that you can show you are someone who has gone the extra mile and can be taken seriously. The qualification itself will not give you the practical knowledge you need to do the job, but it will be useful in getting you interviews and enable you to talk the talk when you start meeting professionals for informal chats with a view to getting them to help you get interviews. You then have to use a combination of applying to job adverts (least likely to work), recruitment agents (somewhat likely to work) and networking with professionals (highly likely to work if you do enough of it).

Where do most people go wrong?

Most people do not use a cover letter or resumé that is as effective as it needs to be ( Helpmegetaninterview.com are the specialists for City resumés and cover letters). Candidates often just send it to HR people at banks which is pretty much guaranteed to fail if you do not have relevant experience. They then think that they will not get a job in banking, without realising that emailing HR was never going to work in the first place.

Which are the three most common reasons for instant application death on a CV?

First, not having relevant work experience. You cannot fix that if you do not have it, but you need to recognise that this is the most common reason for instant death. Second, unimpressive academics. Third, a resumé where it is not easy to figure out how impressive you are. Only around one fifth of resumés I see genuinely make the most of whatever achievements a candidate has. The professional re-write of a CV is really always worth it, but even more important is the cover letter tailored to the business area you are applying to. In the cover letter world, one size does not fit all! It has to be tailored or you will not come across as understanding the business you are applying to.

And...which are the three most common reasons for instant application death at interview?

First, not building a personal rapport with your interviewer. This is why sales-types are so much better at converting interviews into job offers and geeks find it difficult even though they may be smarter and harder-working. Second, taking more than 90 seconds to answer questions and not getting the interviewer into a conversation. Third, not having technical knowledge of that particular business area.

Peter Harrison is founder of Harrison Careers, a company devoted to helping candidates land roles in investment banks.

COMMENTS

Anonymous, HR & Recruitment,  Tue 24 Jul 07

"Ex-Goldman Sachs banker Peter Harrison has all the answers."...I think that might be a rather large claim.



I would be dubious about paying a fee upfront for his services.

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SR, Investment Banking / M & A,  Tue 24 Jul 07

Hi


I think getting into investment banks is all about luck and destiny. I am a 2004 LSE graduate and struggled to get into the investment banking or a even a back-office role in a bank for 2 years. Then suddenly last year 2006 things started happening and I landed a dream role in a small boutique in London who were focused on ECM/DCM. The experience was just fantastic and it opened a lot of doors for me. Now I am running my own boutique bank in India and working with ex-employers and others in arranging financing and executing M&A transactions. Dont know where this will take me..keep trying and good luck.

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Benson, Consultancy,  Tue 24 Jul 07

How difficult is it for strategy consultants with 2 yrs experience to move into investment banking in a) sales role  b) capital markets role?



Are they better pitching at analyst level or associate level. Would an MSc in a business orientated subject make any difference?

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anon, Credit,  Tue 24 Jul 07

I'd love to hear if Peter ever hired a 30yr old with no relevant experience into Goldman's FO when he was there - somehow I doubt it.....



Banks will not change, and despite skills shortages are still scrapping over the dozen specialist with the perfect experience from competitors.



Your only chance is good old nepotism, or if your female using your looks to land client facing roles (and yes this still happens)!

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smile !, Equities,  Tue 24 Jul 07

Having known Peter since he started at GS it would not surprise me that he has all the answers. they might not be the right ones but he is after a great sales person, or so he told me  !

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Anon, Equities,  Tue 24 Jul 07

Why such a catty remark, Mr Anonymous? I've spent may years in investment banking, and found Peter's advice to be entirely reasonable. Are you annoyed at his remarkes about HR? In my experience, they are entirely accurate.

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Chris, FX & Money Markets,  Tue 24 Jul 07

I have Over 5 yrs banking experience in FX and Money Market, but with banks in West Africa (Nigeria). what are my chances of getting into investment banking or even FX/MM roles here in UK

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Alex, Student,  Tue 24 Jul 07

Hi, I am 27 years old and I have recently graduate as a Msc in Quantitative Finance, plus I have a Bsc in Mathematics. I tried to get a Job in Investment Banking without any result. I managed to find a job as a trainee market maker/option trader in Amsterdam. Do I have any chance to pursuit a carreer in Investment Banking? Am I old? Low qualified, Unlucky or stupid?

Please, I would like to have an advice from an experienced professional like you!!

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okpoks, Research,  Tue 24 Jul 07

I have over six years experience in commercial and consumer banking in Nigeria and an M.Sc in Finance from a well rated business school in the UK. I have tried in the last three years to get my foot in the door but the city is so close knit; i recently decided to take a PhD in Finance a a means of getting into investment research. Do you think i stand a chance?

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Anonymous,  Tue 24 Jul 07

I used peter's service. I did not have super grades or any work experience but I agree with Anon, Equities his advice helped.



I am not trying to plug his services but as a graduate from a university outside the top 10 in the UK and average A'level I was able to intern in 3 banks during a single summer. I had 6 job offers when I graduated (4 investment banks - 2 within Sales & Trading, 1 in Ops, 1 in M&A, and 2 offers from the Big 4 within Corporate Finance).



He doesnt get you the job.. that is up to you. He tells you what you can do to improve yourself.

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